Margaret Square, Newry, Co. Down
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| In collection: | The Lawrence Photograph Collection |
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[between ca. 1865-1914].
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| Notes: | Additional information about this photograph is available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/50596543762/ Robert French was the chief photographer responsible for photographing three quarters of the Lawrence Collection. For more information, see the Dictionary of Irish Biography: http://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a3369 Physical description: 1 negative : glass ; 22 x 17 cm Geographic Coverage: Newry, County Down, Province of Ulster, Ireland. Caption on glassplate reads: Margaret Square. Newry. 5188. W. L. more |
As we prepare for the weekend, we will relax a little with a known location for a change! Margaret Square in Newry with horses, and not donkeys in the shafts, together with cyclists rolling on the American side of the street! It will be interesting to see what we can find out about the shot?
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 18651895-1914 (Thanks John Spooner!)
NLI Ref: L_ROY_05188
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Tags:
Margaret Square, Newry, Down, Ulster, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Robert French, William Lawrence, Lawrence Collection, Glass Negative, National Library of Ireland, Lawrence Photograph Collection, Victoria Hotel, O'Hagan, Pharmacy, Chemist, BT34 1DE, O'Hagan's Medical Hall, he
Comments
O Mac
@129555378@N07/ your streetview has jumped 90°. tis looking North we are to be sure. ( bad Irish accents are all the rage these days)
maps.app.goo.gl/KTuymgm5vpQYc4BS9
Posted: 13.11.2020
cargeofg
The dormer windows of the Victoria Hotel remain on the roof of the Ulster bank but chimneys have gone. Raised name White Cross Hotel on the render in Margaret St is still present.http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000338350
Posted: 13.11.2020
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Mr French / Lawrence took three other photos of O'Hagan's Medical Hall (same day; blinds are the same) -
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000338350
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000322161
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000321216
And so did [https://www.flickr.com/photos/kilwirraarchitects/] in 2009 - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/kilwirraarchitects/3562428050/]
Posted: 13.11.2020
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
That is a very fancy octagonal hexagonal gas lamp. It has a cast-iron vine growing up it, better seen in this one - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000322161
Posted: 13.11.2020
John Spooner
Charles O'Hagan advertised that his Medical Hall was 'now open' in The Newry Reporter in January 1895.
Posted: 13.11.2020
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
The Victoria Hotel was relatively new. Same corner different angle in this pre 1882 stereo pair - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000565469
The Medical Hall was previously a seed store.
Posted: 13.11.2020
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
This image must be seconds or minutes different; having no luck finding it in the catalogue - www.historicalpicturearchive.com/shop/pictures/hill-stree...
Posted: 13.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I don't think that they were all on same day. First two plates yes but third one is later or earlier as there is an extra sign on Warnocks for Perth Dye Works and also an iron frame present for a canopy is missing. The other sign present on both photos is a Stephens Inks thermometer sign.
Posted: 13.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] No cars to be seen or motorcycles and O'Hagan has no sign for Motor spirits so 1900/1903 latest.
Posted: 13.11.2020
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] Oops! I was testing to see who was awake.
Posted: 13.11.2020
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] Ladies fashions look about 1900, too.
Posted: 13.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Not as bad as me .I said a building was demolished but was still standing and in my old home town[https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] caught me for that misdemeanour.
Posted: 13.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Lady on cycle looks to have full length dress CAB_01585.
Posted: 13.11.2020
derangedlemur
10 (or possibly 30) years later the hotel was a bank: www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/26737946663/
Posted: 13.11.2020
John Spooner
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] I spy a sign for Carborine motor spirit at O'Hagans (the small white rectangle right at the corner). His earliest Newry Reporter advert which mentions Carborine (or any other motor spirit) was on November 24th 1904 July 9th 1904.
Posted: 13.11.2020
suckindeesel
"The Newry and Mourne in 1914" directory, www.bagenalscastle.com/documents/1914 Directory.pdf , still lists the Victoria Hotel.
The directory also includes a photo of Margaret Sq. in which "O'Hagan" has become "O'Hagan and O'Hare", druggists.
So, - 1914, given the renaming of the O'Hagan.
The 1910 directory www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Newry4.php also lists "O'Hagan and O'Hare", druggists, whereas our photo shows the shop sign as "O'Hagen Medical Hall.
Grace's Guide includes: "1914 Motor spirit and oil manufacturers and refiners. Specialities: "Carburine" and "Glico" motor spirit and motor oils, "Glico" turps, benzine, benzoline, benzol etc., solvent naphtha for paint and varnish manufacture"
PS, can't get that link to work from here.
So, 1895 - 1899?
Posted: 13.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Well done you. I was looking for a Pratt's sign. Good spot and link to a newspaper advert. That will narrow the date right down..
Posted: 13.11.2020
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] Carburine, as used by the winner of the 1904 Gorden Bennett
www.gracesguide.co.uk/File:Im1904AH-Gas.jpg
And here's a new one: Suppliers of "Heavy Motor Spirit" for steam cars!
Posted: 13.11.2020
silverio10
Buenas fotos antiguas .
Posted: 13.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04] It is a bad day you don't learn something. Will file that sign away in the memory banks for future use. Keep safe and have a good weekend.
Posted: 13.11.2020
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] If you're looking for motorcycles in Hill St, www.historicalpicturearchive.com/shop/pictures/stationers.... which includes "The Frontier Motorcycle Works"
Image quality is poor, however.
Posted: 14.11.2020
s0340248
Glückwunsch zu Explore ! ! !
Posted: 14.11.2020
Foveonyc ️
Congratulations on Explore! It’s really magical!
It’s really great!Thank You All My Friends for NEW Flickr World!
And Have a nice day!見性. From #Listenwave_Photography.
Posted: 14.11.2020
incognito7nyc
✨🌟★❤✯♥✨ Very beautiful ✨♥✯❤★🌟✨
Posted: 14.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04] Can't get it to link over but have a look in the Eason Collection for EAS_1454 and EAS_1439. Hill St again. Man pushing a m/cycle in 1454 and sign writer was busy in 1439
Posted: 15.11.2020
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] George, here are the links for you EAS_1439 and EAS_1454
I have also included a link to Allowed Flickr HTML which will show you how to get the links working for yourself.
Regards, Mary
Posted: 15.11.2020
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/flickr] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/158685238@N03] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/listenwave] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/maczeug2] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/incognito7nyc] Thank you. Mary
Posted: 15.11.2020
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Thank you Sunday Mary.Kind regards George.
Posted: 15.11.2020
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] That's my kind of hardware shop, they seemed to sell everything!
The poor biker may have been on his way to "The Frontier Motorcycle Works" or perhaps looking for a purveyor of Pratts?
Posted: 15.11.2020
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04] and they would still be open in Covid time!!
Posted: 15.11.2020
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] That's if they were still there, unfortunately streetview shows some modern monstrosity in its place. I'm not too familiar with the east side of Newry, usually sticking to the Canal Court Hotel as a base on the west side.
Must give it a look when things improve.
Posted: 15.11.2020
Niall McAuley
O'Hagan Charles, Druggist, is in the 1907 directory. The 1910 lists O'Hagan and Hare, so this is 1895-1910 somewhere.
Posted: 13.04.2021
Niall McAuley
No help with dates, but in the distance, I see CONVILLE on Sugar Island. The 1907 directory lists McConville, Miss, sub-postmistress, Sugar Island Post Office. 1901: Sugar Island branch office - Miss McConville, postmistress. And the 1901 census, and 1898 directory, 1895 but NOT 1892, when Mark J. Doyle was subpostmaster.
But not in the 1911 census or 1912 directory. Ah, she died in February 1910
The Trimbles were post-officing in Sugar Island by the 1911 census.
So Miss McConville fits more or less the same range, after 1892, before 1911.
Posted: 13.04.2021
