Elderly man leans on a fence at Upper Street in Shere, Surrey, England

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Bibliographic Details
Main Creator: Mason, Thomas Holmes, 1877-1958, photographer
Contributors: Thomas H. Mason & Sons photographers
Summary:[Summary].
In collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Format: Photo
Language:English
Published / Created: [ca. 1890-1910].
Notes:In our catalogue, this photo was originally titled "Elderly man at fence: 'A summer afternoon in Surrey'". Research by our Flickr Commons users established that this was Upper Street in Shere, Surrey, England.

Additional information about this photograph is available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/43589589484/

Physical description: Glass slide 1.

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Arrangement:Sub-fond.
May I ask you to spare a thought today for our hardest working Morning Mary who is recovering from a recent operation. This is perhaps one of the most challenging photographs we have ever posted. I will be amazed if you can provide us with any useful information. I have had these thoughts in the past however, and I have been proved wrong! The first person to name the man will be awarded a personalised tag and virtual sticky bun every day for a year.
In a show of investigative brilliance, Rory_Sherlock has identified this as Upper Street in Shere, Surrey, England. The modern StreetView is an exact match. In that, while the shed-like "Norton" building is gone, amazingly almost everything else in this shot lines up exactly. Apart from the man of course. Who, though perhaps a "Norton" of the signage, is not identified. Still, Rory_Sherlock can help himself to as many virtual sticky buns as he likes. As he points out that there were more than a few Masons living locally (including Harry Mason, builder of noted local bridge), one of whom "our" Mason may have been visiting. Whatever the case, it is clear that Shere remains a picturesque location for photographers and film-makers today...
Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910
NLI Ref: M24/61/4
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

Comments

National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Sorry for the lateness today, I forgot to make the image public. The other Morning Mary is much better at this!
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] GET WELL SOON, MORNING MARY !
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I think he is Mr Norton ...
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
Niall McAuley
A big clapboard shed with NORTON on it... A carpenter, car builder, something like that?
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
Niall McAuley
[... and feel better soon, Morning Mary!]
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
Peter Denton
Perhaps it would be an idea to post this on one of the Surrey groups - for example, 'Surrey the County' or 'Surrey - England's finest county'. Also, 'Old Pictures and Postcards'. Someone may recognise the village. I'd be happy to do that for you if I have your permission to download and re-post the image.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
Niall McAuley
There is a "probably not Irish" Mason photo next door at M24/61/5, but it is Antwerp, not a useful place in Surrey.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
Vab2009
Get well Mary! (Besides your photos are easier ..Lol!)
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
whatsthatpicture
This is where an area I used to cycle in a lot, and it looks very familiar. At first I thought Shere, but I don't think it's there.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/peterdenton] Hi Peter, you may post away as suggested, please do include the reference numbers you see above.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/vab2009] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Thank you for the kind comments, I will pass them on.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
derangedlemur
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture] It's hard for strangers to tell if it's Shere or not. Streetview won't go into half the village. perhaps if you were to resuscitate the old wire donkey...?
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
derangedlemur
Mason didn't tend to get all that far from the railway for a lot of his photos, so that might help.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
derangedlemur
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Please pass on some best wishes from me while you're at it.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/8468254@N02] Will do, thanks.
Posted: 28.08.2018  
 
Rory_Sherlock
Kelly's Directory of Surrey from 1913 lists two Nortons in Shere: specialcollections.le.ac.uk/utils/getfile/collection/p164... Norton Fredk. H. carpenter & undertaker Norton John Samuel, cycle maker Either of these tradesmen could conceivably have been based in the timber-walled building in this image.
Posted: 29.08.2018  
 
Rory_Sherlock
Perhaps here: www.google.ie/maps/@51.2207365,-0.469206,3a,75y,78.4h,86.... The 'Norton' building is gone, but the building just beyond it is distinctive - a sort of sloping ledge on the roadside facade a few feet about street level; gables facing the camera and the street; three windows (one in the lower left of the gable facing the camera, one right under the eaves and one larger one in the street-facing gable just beyond it). Also, a low garden wall just beyond it with pillars at either end. The two redbrick terraces on the left in Streetview don't appear in the Mason image, but the building on the left in the Mason view (with two gables facing the street) could well be the white building(s) in the background in Streetview. A further piece of evidence comes from this next image which shows Upper Street in Shere (where the Streetview is from) - the open upstairs window on the left looks very like that in the Mason image. www.sherebridge.uk/images/original_bridge_05_car_zoom.jpg
Posted: 29.08.2018  
 
Rory_Sherlock
Interestingly, many old photos from Shere relate to a pedestrian bridge which crossed the road until recently - the original bridge was probably built in the 1800s, but it was replaced in 1911 by a new bridge which was built by Mr Harry Mason, carpenter. The bridge is just out of view in our image - could Thomas H. Mason (the photographer) have been in Shere to visit a relative? Read about the bridge here: www.sherebridge.uk/
Posted: 29.08.2018  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Brilliant [https://www.flickr.com/photos/139877639@N08]. A comparison of your StreetView to the Megazoom version would seem to be a fairly solid match. (Everything from the protruding plaster work on the groundfloor, to the sticky-out beam on the upperfloor, to the gateposts and gables beyond - all seem more than plausible). I will await thoughts from others however; before furiously ringing bells. Certainly at this late hour :)
Posted: 29.08.2018  
 
DannyM8
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/139877639@N08] Undoubtedly the same location, well done.
Posted: 29.08.2018  
 
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/139877639@N08] Shere Brilliance! Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2009 via The Great God of Google - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/42530878260/]
Posted: 29.08.2018  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Thanks again [https://www.flickr.com/photos/139877639@N08]! Bells are duly rung, and map and description dutifully updated. Help your self to virtual sticky buns (don't mind the line - push your way to the top of the queue :) )
Posted: 29.08.2018  
 
whatsthatpicture
Hold on, so it really is Shere? I was making a complete stab in the dark as it just reminded me of that area. Must have been something subliminal going on there!
Posted: 01.09.2018