Mrs. O'Connor, wedding group of guests etc.
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| In collection: | The Poole Photographic Collection |
| Format: | Photo |
| Language: | English |
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[ca. 17 October 1912]
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| Notes: | Forms part of: Poole Whole Plate series Creation date based on date photographic order was placed; recorded in Index Book of the A. H. Poole Studio as: 17 October 1912. Formerly at call number P_WP_2408 Research by our Flickr Commons users strongly suggests that this was the marriage of Thomas O'Connor and Evelyn Erlwin/Erlwein on 16 October 1912. Additional information about this photograph is available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/40241089783/ This description is derived from the original Index Books created at the A. H. Poole Studio. Physical description: 1 photograph : glass plate negative; 17 x 22 cm. more |
A wedding group taken by Mr. Poole for Mrs. O'Connor which shows his great skills and careful arrangement of the subjects. As near a symmetrical arrangement as he could manage with the placement of the personnel makes a very pleasing group and a fine photograph.
The prevailing wisdom is that this image captures the marriage of Thomas O'Connor and Evelyn Erlwin on 16 October 1912. While the group may not have been in Grannagh at the time, there seems to be a connection to the village (also known as Granny) which sits close to the county boundary between Waterford and Kilkenny. (ed. As the O'Connor/Erlwin wedding was at least partly celebrated in nearby Kilmacow, Niall McAuley suggests that this image may have been captured there).....
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date: c.17 October 1912
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2408
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Tags:
A.H. Poole, Arthur Henri Poole, Glass Negative, National Library of Ireland, Wedding group, white dress, Mrs. O'Connor, house, 1912, Thomas O'Connor, Evelyn Erlwin, Granagh, Symmetry, Wedding, Grannagh, Granny, 'The Granny from Grannagh', Kilmacow, Poole Photographic Collection
Comments
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
17 October 1912 was a Thursday ...
Is that Mrs O'Connor with all the furry bits and muff? Giving us a steely look.
Posted: 25.02.2019
sharon.corbet
The only wedding featuring an O'Connor on 17 Oct. 1912 that I could find was this one between James Bourke and Johanna O'Connor. But I'm not convinced that it is the right one. The groom looks older than 26 to me.
Posted: 25.02.2019
sharon.corbet
Mrs. O'Connor is from Granagh, Waterford, making it less likely that it is the above wedding, which was in Tipperary.
Posted: 25.02.2019
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
In lieu of the real deal, would you settle for Billy Idol?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KJZeygsovw
I got married in blue jeans and we are going on 18 years. Yeah, it was spur of the moment. I bought a tux, but happened to be overseas and, "What the hell, let's do it."
Posted: 25.02.2019
sharon.corbet
This wedding between Thomas O'Connor and Evelyn Erlwin (?) on the 16th looks a bit more likely.
Posted: 25.02.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Sharon I think Granagh may actually be in Kilkenny?
Posted: 25.02.2019
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Yes, it is just over the river. AKA Granny.
Posted: 25.02.2019
derangedlemur
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Erlwein, judging by the census.
She must still have been in America or somewhere in 1911; She's not in the census.
Posted: 25.02.2019
Niall McAuley
Thomas O'Connor is a railway clerk on that marriage record. In the 1911 census, David Erlwein is also a clerk in a railway parcel office. The census records the Erlwein's house in Granny as a shop, 3 windows to the front.
Posted: 25.02.2019
Niall McAuley
Poole's pictures in the archive of Granagh suggest whitewash and thatch rather than red brick and fanlights.
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590090
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590091
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000590092
Posted: 25.02.2019
sharon.corbet
Evelyn Erlwein gave her address as Grannyferry in her marriage cert, a lot of which seems to be gone now. 25" OSI.
Posted: 25.02.2019
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/8468254@N02] Mary and her four kids, William (b. 1886), Adam (b. 1889), David (b. 1891) and Evelyn (b. 1893) were all in Pittsburgh in 1900. Mary and the three younger kids arrived in Queenstown in May 1903. I can't find Evelyn after that, whereas Adam seemed to go back to the States in 1910.
Posted: 25.02.2019
KenjiB_48
The two lads in tweeds are a marvel of symmetry -
Posted: 25.02.2019
jamica1
Great day for a white wedding
Posted: 25.02.2019
Niall McAuley
As [https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland] notes, this looks like a licensed premises. The wedding record linked by [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] above says they were married in Kilmacow. So we are looking for a red brick hotel/pub in Kilmacow EDIT: No, see local knowledge from Colm Walsh below!
Posted: 01.03.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]. While not 100% confirmed, I've added a short note to the description. Lest we lose track :)
Posted: 03.03.2019
knowing steam
I grew up in the Old Post Office, I can confirm that the building is solid stone,
Posted: 20.01.2020
knowing steam
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/] , there is a house across the road from the ferry bar that matches and it is brick under the plaster.
Posted: 20.01.2020
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/186547521@N03] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Hi Colm, Great to hear from you. We do enjoy hearing from people with connections to our photos. Mary [https://www.flickr.com/photos/8468254@N02] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet]
Posted: 21.01.2020
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/186547521@N03] Hey Colm, the Ferry Bar in Grannagh? If so, this is a streetview of the house opposite. The bottom left corner confirms that the house is red brick under the cement, the door is lower than the windows, the window spacing matches, and there is a curious step in the cement which would cover the decorative brick at the top of the image. Looks like a match to me.
Posted: 21.01.2020
Niall McAuley
I think this is the 3-windows-to-the-front shop that Mary Erlwein is living in in the 1911 census here. Occupation is Farmer and Grocer, which matches the pub looking front.
Posted: 21.01.2020
Niall McAuley
So:
Bride is Evelyn Erlwein, Groom is Thomas O'Connor, witnesses look like Eugene and Bridget O'Connor, priest is Rev. Richard O'Connor. These people are probably all pictured, along with mother-of-the-bride Mary. I'll guess that the three men at our left are the brides brothers William, Adam and David. The three women could be their wives?
Thomas might have a brother James in the 1901 census (also a railway clerk from Kerry), presumably somewhere to our right.
Posted: 21.01.2020
knowing steam
The ferry bar used to run Wedding Breakfasts as most people got married early in the day.
Posted: 21.01.2020
knowing steam
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I checked with my father and he remembers that house been all red brick.
Posted: 21.01.2020
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/186547521@N03] Great information, thank you so much,
Posted: 21.01.2020
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Evelyn was present at Mary's death per the cert, in 1937.
Posted: 19.11.2020
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Thanks, Niall
Posted: 19.11.2020
