F-Adar: Bleriot Spad No. 46
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| Summary: | [Summary]. |
| In collection: | Mason Photographic Collection |
| Format: | Photo |
| Language: | English |
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[ca. 1921].
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| Notes: | Original date range for this photograph was ca. 1890-1910. Research by our Flickr Commons users established the date was ca. 1921. Additional information about this photograph is available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/46530612034/ Physical description: Glass slide 1. more |
| Arrangement: | Sub-fond. |
Today we are happy to share a special treat for our aviation specialists. We know little about this photograph, so it would be great to get details of the aeroplane and some good dating and location facts. Over to you...
Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910. Almost certainly later. Likely c.1921
NLI Ref: M24/60/12
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Thomas Holmes Mason, Thomas Mayne, Thomas H. Mason & Sons Limited, Lantern Slides, National Library of Ireland, Bleriot Spad No. 46, F-Adar: Bleriot Spad No. 46, Bleriot Spad, Aeroplane, Sausage Wife, Aviation, Aircraft, Airplane, Biplane, Blériot-SPAD S.46, Bleriot-SPAD S.46, Blériot-SPAD 46, Bleriot-SPAD 46, SPAD S.46, SPAD 46, 1920s, F-ADAR, 660kg
Comments
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
"The Blériot-SPAD S.46 was a small French airliner of the 1920s, developed from the Blériot-SPAD S.33. Like its predecessor, it was a conventional biplane that seated four passengers in an enclosed cabin while the pilot and occasionally a fifth passenger rode in an open cockpit. The S.46 had a redesigned wing of longer span and a far more powerful engine. The type was employed by Franco-Roumaine, which purchased 38 out of the 40 examples produced for use on their continental European routes. ... ..."
From - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot-SPAD_S.46
Posted: 05.03.2019
Niall McAuley
In the background I see a grandstand and white post rails. I think we are at a racecourse.
Posted: 05.03.2019
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
" ... F-ADARBleriot-Spad 463070.01F-ESAX F-ADARBleriot Aeronautique /Buc >La Mission Bapt /Le Bourget00.00.21617Canc 8.24 [PB reported as ex F-ESAX c/n 01 Also reported as Spad 50] ... "
From - www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_F-.html
Somebody please translate!
Posted: 05.03.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Thank you.
Posted: 05.03.2019
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Flickr is sometimes amazing! Another S.46, F-AEBK via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/skylarkair/]
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/skylarkair/19684418506]
Posted: 05.03.2019
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Yikes! It was at Les Aisles on 17 November 1921 according to this version - commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bleriot_SPAD_S.46_Les_Ail... - which came from this newspaper - gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555947v/f98.double
The plot thickens ...
Posted: 05.03.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]
Reg F-ADAR
Type Bleriot-Spad 46
C/n 3070.01
History F-ESAX F-ADAR
Owner Bleriot Aeronautique /Buc >La Mission Bapt /Le Bourget
Cert of Registration 00.00.21617
Fate / Comments
Canc 8.24 [PB reported as ex F-ESAX c/n 01 Also reported as Spad 50]
From www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_F-.html
There seems to be some issue or conversion with the additional F-ESAX registration??
Posted: 05.03.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]
From www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_F-1.html
F-AEBK was owned by Cie Franco-Roumaine /Le Bourget >CIDNA /Le Bourget and was destroyed in 6.28
Posted: 05.03.2019
Niall McAuley
The register records F-ESAX as a Spad 50. Wikipedia (in the S.33 article) notes the S.50 as a variant: Luxury version with passenger cabin enlarged to six seats, fitted with a 300 hp (220 kW) Hispano-Suiza 8Fb engine. Three were converted from S.33s, plus two all-new aircraft.
The F-ESAX record is listed as 1924, so we are before that year.
Posted: 05.03.2019
Carol Maddock
Squinting like mad at the writing on the side, above 660 Kg. Is it something Wife? Wile? Initial impression was Sausage, but not enough letters! Savage? Hopefully not Savage Wife. Though Sausage Wife wouldn't have been great either.
Posted: 05.03.2019
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Apologies - "Les Ailes" above is not the location, but the name of the newspaper. The blurb (bottom right of page) says something like -
"The berline Spad 46 (with motor Lorraine 370 HP) has just completed the voyage from Paris to Constantinople piloted by Monsieur the Captain Duellin with stops at Strasbourg, Prague, Vienna, Budapest and Bucharest."
The whole newspaper page seems to be a report on an air show. This photo is therefore before the 17/11/1921 publication date. It's complicated!
gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555947v/f98.item.zoom
Posted: 05.03.2019
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
A slight Red Herring - detailed description of the extremely spartan interior of the earlier S.33 (which the S.46 was developed from) - www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1921/1921%20-%20046...
Posted: 05.03.2019
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Close relative F-ADAG postcard at Le Bourget airport (yours for US $13.06) -
www.ebay.com/itm/AVIATION-N-262-LE-BOURGET-AERODROME-CIVI...
Posted: 05.03.2019
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03] Sausage Wife would be good, but I don't think so.
I was imagining Charge Max for Max Load, but it doesn't fit well.
Posted: 05.03.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03] it might be in French.
Posted: 05.03.2019
oaktree_brian_1976
1920s airliner. SPAD made fighter planes in WW1. "Société pour l'aviation et ses dérivés", Society for aviation and its derivatives
Posted: 05.03.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03] Is the second word Vide for Empty?
EDIT - Forget this see my next comment
Posted: 05.03.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I think it is Charge Utile for Payload 860Kg
From wikivisually.com/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot-SPAD_S.46#Specifications_(S.46) we see -
Empty weight: 1,417 kg (3,124 lb)
Gross weight: 2,270 kg (5,004 lb)
Difference is 853 Kg (Circa 860)?
Comments welcome.
Posted: 05.03.2019
oaktree_brian_1976
The BNF article seems to be of a display aircraft at Le Bourget, that big French airshow. The specs say the plane with fuel weighs 2000 kg, the fuel is 320 kg and it can carry 580 kg of cargo, with the 275hp engine. I suppose with an upgraded motor it could be 660kg. They mention a Rolls Royce engine as an option, so either 350 or 375 hp.
Posted: 05.03.2019
silverio10
Buena serie de fotos antiguas .
Posted: 05.03.2019
Carol Maddock
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Payload / Charge Utile makes sense, thanks, but 'twill ever be Sausage Wife to me.
Posted: 05.03.2019
oaktree_brian_1976
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03] 600 kg sausage wife.
Posted: 06.03.2019
Carol Maddock
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/66151649@N02] That could be a thing.
Posted: 06.03.2019
Dr. Ilia
Awesome!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 14.03.2019
Petrusja
Hello, the Paris Air Show was not then at Le Bourget, but an inside affair in the Grand Palais. The photo must have been taken earlier in 1921. The background looks a bit like the Blériot airfield at Buc, near Versailles: www.airhistory.net/photo/568375/F-ALZD
Posted: 08.08.2023
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/68033665@N04] Ah! Thank you very much for this information.
Posted: 18.08.2023
