Pembroke Prep? School, Motor Engine Shop: Cars x 4.19th Century.
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| Summary: | Motor Industry. |
| In collection: | Mason Photographic Collection |
| Format: | Photo |
| Language: | English |
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[ca. 1890-1910].
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| Notes: | Additional information about this photograph is available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/30691019416 Physical description: Glass slide 1. more |
| Arrangement: | Sub-fond. |
A motor engine shop in a Prep school? That seems (A) a little bit extravagant and (B) aimed at a different class of student at a time when class seemed to be everything? This image from the Mason collection intrigues me, and I look forward to finding out a lot more about it...
With thanks today to sharon.corbet it seems likely that this image captures a motor engineering workshop at "Pembroke Day Trades Preparatory School" in Ringsend, Dublin (now site of Ringsend Technical College). Also thanks to BultacoFan and Niall McAuley for identifying the car registrations (and hence the likely earliest date for the image as 1903). Niall let's us know that, of the cars/registrations pictured, by 1911:
- LI-11 belonged to a Charles Farran of Rathfarnham
- RI-279 to a George Newcomen of 27 Earlsfort Terrace
- RI-247 to Alan McMullen of 108 James' Street, and
- FI-11 to JAB Trench, of Clonfert (Co Galway).
beachcomber suggests that Mr. Trench's motor (FI-11, middle right) could be a Rolls-Royce. But rightly points-out that, in this era of motoring, the coachwork was commonly built by separate coachbuilders. And hence it's not always straightforward to identify a model from its body-shape...
Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910. Though not before 1903.
NLI Ref: M3/22
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Tags:
Thomas Holmes Mason, Thomas Mayne, Thomas H. Mason & Sons Limited, Lantern Slides, National Library of Ireland, Pembroke Preparatory School, cars, motor engine shop, sheds, parked, Pembroke Technical School, Day Trades Preparatory School, Ringsend, Ringsend College, Automobile, Registration numbers, Charles Farran, George Newcomen, Alan McMullen, JAB Trench, Rolls-Royce, Brewer, Master Brewer, Guinness, Location Identified
Comments
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07] The DIA puts the Pembroke Technical School on Cambridge Street. The 25" has it. Streetview shows Ringsend College on the site. Ringsend College still offers courses in Motor Car Maintenance!
Posted: 02.11.2016
BultacoFan
Registration numbers were only introduced in 1904.
Posted: 02.11.2016
BultacoFan
According to Wikipedia (so it must be true!), FI was issued in Tipperary North Riding from Dec 1903 onwards.
Posted: 02.11.2016
Niall McAuley
I see FI-11, RI-273, LI-11 and maybe RI-247?
Edit, no, in Megazoom, it is RI-279.
Posted: 02.11.2016
Niall McAuley
RI 1 to RI 9999 (Dec 1903 – Apr 1921); (Dublin)
FI 1 to FI 9999 (Dec 1903 – Jan 1958). (Tipp North Riding)
LI 1 to LI 9999 (Dec 1903 – Jun 1959). (Westmeath)
Posted: 02.11.2016
Niall McAuley
In 1911, LI-11 belonged to Charles E. Farran of Highfield Manor, Rathfarnham. RI-279 belonged to George Arnold Newcomen of 27 Earlsfort Terrace, and RI-247 to Alan McMullen of 108 James' Street. FI-11 belonged to J.A.B. Trench, of Clonfert, Eyrecourt.
Posted: 02.11.2016
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Newsy Notes From Ireland [Dublin, December 1908] ... Another interesting function was the distribution of prizes by the Lord Lieutenant to the students of the Pembroke Technical Schools, at Ringsend. Among the many useful things taught in these schools are machine construction and drawing, mechanical, electrical and motor engineering, while the classes for women give instruction in bookkeeping, toy making, machine knitting, cookery, and needlework, as well as dressmaking and millinery. ...From trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23598246?searchTerm=pe...
Posted: 02.11.2016
sharon.corbet
The DIT has a lot of stuff in their archives e.g. the 1936 prospectus for Bolton St. and Ringsend Mechanical Engineering. Or the 1934 Exam for First Year Motor Car Engineering.
Posted: 02.11.2016
sharon.corbet
The National Archives has mentions that there was a request "for burnt out motor car engines in Four Courts for instructional use in Ringsend Technical School" from 1923.
Posted: 02.11.2016
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/66151649@N02] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bultacofan]
Any idea on the make and models of the cars?
Posted: 02.11.2016
silverio10
Buenas fotos antiguas .
Posted: 02.11.2016
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
FI-11 (middle right) looks like a Rolls-Royce - the radiator grille and cap.
"Rolls-Royce did not provide the coachwork. Instead, the cars were sold in chassis form for the customer to arrange his own body supplier, with Barker recommended."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_10_hp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_15_hp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rolls_Royce_15hp.jpg
Posted: 02.11.2016
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Excellent [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] and thanks all. Have updated the map, description and tags accordingly. We may not have the date 100% established, but the location and ownership history of pretty much every vehicle pictured is more than we'd expected here!
Posted: 02.11.2016
oaktree_brian_1976
R1-11 almost looks like the Ford Model T, earliest produced is from 1908. Car on the very right is a runabout, short wheel base, one seat car. Oldsmobile? (I'm more familiar with American cars) The runabout is missing the engine, it appears to be a body only. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Curved_Dash
Posted: 03.11.2016
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
From www.guinness-storehouse.com/content/pdf/archive-factsheet...
Alan McMullen was a Brewer and lived in a Guinness owned house, 108 James' Street
Towards the end of the 19th century the Company began developing the area of scientific brewing and began recruiting first class science graduates from Winchester, Oxford and Cambridge as apprentice brewers. Between 1893 and 1903 the Company recruited 11 apprentice brewers, the first of these scientific brewers was T.B. Case. Case held a first-class degree in Chemistry from Oxford and subsequent brewers at Guinness all held degrees from Oxford or Cambridge. Case’s appointment was soon followed by Alan McMullen, an Oxford graduate.
The Brewers were on equal social terms with the Directors of the Company, being both feared and respected by Brewery employees. They enjoyed special privileges, they had their own private dining room in the Brewery and they lived in the Company houses, at 98 and 108 James’s Street. The more senior brewers lived in 98, the more junior in 108. They had a housekeeper, two maid servants and free heating and lighting. Each brewer had their own sitting room as well as a bedroom and shared a communal dining room and sitting room. Permission had to be sought from the Master Brewer to have a female visitor for tea!
He ended up as Master Brewer for the period 1932 – 1937
Posted: 03.11.2016
Niall McAuley
In the Irish Motor Directory 1914-15, we have:
FI-11 John Mooney, 15 Victoria Villas, Blackrock
LI-11 Charles E. Farran, Highfield Manor, Rathfarnham, Co. Dublin
RI-279 George Arnold Newcomen, 27 Earlsfort Terrace, Dublin
RI-247 Alan McMullen, 108 James' Street, Dublin
In the 1911 census, John Mooney was a single 40-year-old rate collector living with his mother and brother.
Geoge Newcomen was a married 55-year-old practicing barrister.
Alan McMullen, Brewer, gave the same address when marrying Mary Evelyn Armstrong in 1904.
But in 1911, four other brewers are living there? The NIAH says it was acquired by Guinness in 1903.
I see a Farran family on Highfield Road, but no Charles.
Ah, Charles in 17 in 1901.
Posted: 05.10.2022
