Roundwood, Co. Wicklow
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| In collection: | The Lawrence Photograph Collection |
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[between 1880-1900].
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| Notes: | Additional information about this photograph is available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/26483268809/ Robert French was the chief photographer responsible for photographing three quarters of the Lawrence Collection. For more information, see the Dictionary of Irish Biography: http://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a3369 Physical description: 1 photographic negative glass 16.5 x 21.5 cm. Geographic Coverage: Roundwood, County Wicklow, Province of Leinster, Ireland. Caption on glassplate reads: Round Wood. Co. Wiclow. 522. W. L. more |
Roundwood as none of us will have seen it. Irelands highest village looks like a tiny hamlet dominated by a fine stone church with maidens dancing at the crossroads (sorry, I got a bit carried away there)! Children in pinnies, a sunhat on display and a soft misty fog on the mountains, Ireland as we dream of it.
Given that subject and location are clear, the main discussion today was on date. The general consensus (based on businesses and buildings visible) is that we are likely closer to the first half of the catalogue range (c.1880s) than to the upper bound (c.1900). Interestingly, ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq highlights that this very picture hangs in the lounge of the (now very smartly rennovated) building on the right hand side of the street. Where they have dated it c.1890....
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1880-1900. Likely early in range c.1880s
NLI Ref: L_ROY_00522
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Tags:
Robert French, William Lawrence, Lawrence Collection, Lawrence Photographic Studio, Glass Negative, National Library of Ireland, Roundwood, Co. Wicklow, Church, Stone Church, village, houses, thatch, children, pinnies, pinafores, sunhat, donkey cart, mist on the mountains, County Wicklow, Church of Saint Laurence O'Toole, Saint Laurence O'Toole, Thomas Keane, Vartry House, Street, Byrne & Woods, Lawrence Photograph Collection
Comments
Niall McAuley
This is not the main street. On the GeoHive OSI 25" you can see that the Hotels, RIC barracks, Post office are all around the corner to the right, and out of sight. In Streetview, we can see Vartry House is still there at left.
Posted: 08.11.2017
Niall McAuley
The church was completed in 1871, no help.
Posted: 08.11.2017
B-59
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Your link must be mistaken, but it's here IMO: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,719034,702680,11,9
Posted: 08.11.2017
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/66311327@N05] Thanks!
Posted: 08.11.2017
BultacoFan
I'm going to guess very much closer to 1880 than 1900. No suggestion of concrete footpaths, and is that an open sewer or just a large drain? Also what looks like children barefoot in or around the manure in the street.
Posted: 08.11.2017
Niall McAuley
That 25" was surveyed in 1908, and shows trees around the church. The church looks fairly new here. I think I see an RIC man in a pill-box hat. I am thinking nearer 1880 than 1900.
Posted: 08.11.2017
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
An 8-legged dog (see note and megazoom). Or is it two dogs doing what nature intended?
Posted: 08.11.2017
Bernard Healy
In terms of dating, the photo is definitely before the 25" map. If you look at the OSI map you'll see little porches on the north and south of the church. They are also visible in today's streetview. The south porch is not shown in this photo.
(Edited to add: Ooops! Didn't notice that we already had 1900 as an upper date range.)
Posted: 08.11.2017
Bernard Healy
I think I've found the entry in the Calendar of Wills for the Thomas Keane whose name is on the shop/pub.
He died 20 May 1884 and is described as a shopkeeper.
That leads me to this transcription of his gravestone in Glendalough:
Of your charity, pray for the repose of the Souls of, John Keane, of Roundwood,
who died, 22nd Oct. 1849, aged, 68 years, and of his beloved wife, Elizabeth,
who departed this life, 3rd Feb. 1807, aged 22? Years, also their son, Thomas
Keane, who departed this life, 20th May 1884, aged, 56 years, also their loving
son, John Kean, who died, 2nd June 1877, aged, 77 years.
This doesn't really prove anything in terms of dating as his name could have remained on the premises after his death.
Posted: 08.11.2017
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
In May 1991, one of the Lawrence Photographic Project equivalents - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000355456
Posted: 08.11.2017
Pasquiriva@
Buena toma perece un bn en analogico
Posted: 08.11.2017
Foxglove
not a barefoot child in sight- must be the higher altitudes !
Posted: 08.11.2017
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
1890 ! This is really fun ... there are several Google SphereViews inside the Keane building, now a rather smart pub and restaurant, Byrne & Woods. This sphereview has a copy of this photo framed on the wall, with "Roundwood 1890 Photographer W. Lawrence" printed underneath. Wow!
www.google.com/maps/@53.0617609,-6.2243321,3a,17.7y,215.9...
Posted: 08.11.2017
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Screenshot from streetview if it will not work for you - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/24391453848/]
Posted: 08.11.2017
sam2cents
The crossroads is still there but I would never have realised it was Roundwood. There is so little foliage that it's mind boggling. I wonder if that is why they had such heavy snows in the old days, as there was no shelter. Amazing image!
Posted: 08.11.2017
sam2cents
By the way, that gable on the foreground left seems to be still part of Kavanagh's pub, although I could be wrong.
Posted: 08.11.2017
Niall McAuley
The DIA says the missing church porches date from 1903, no help:
Name:O'CONNOR, GEORGE LUKE
Building:CO. WICKLOW, ROUNDWOOD, CHURCH OF ST LAURENCE O'TOOLE (RC)
Date:1903
Nature:Repairs after severe storm damage (causing cracking of walls and shifting of roof). Repairs include tie-rods across nave walls, rebuilding of N aisle wall, erection of 2 new porches. Cost: £900. Contractor: Kinlen Bros., Greystones.
Refs:Wicklow Newsletter, 7 Mar,27 Jun 1903.
Posted: 08.11.2017
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] The print dated 1890 might just be splitting the 1880-1900 range...
Posted: 08.11.2017
Niall McAuley
I think the 8 legged dog is a blurred calf.
Posted: 08.11.2017
guliolopez
I was so distracted by how "swanky" the Byrne and Wood building (erstwhile Keane's building) has become since that I didn't spot the photo on the wall. Great find [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]!
Posted: 08.11.2017
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Interesting indeed [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]! Have mentioned in the updated description/etc.
Posted: 09.11.2017
scientific ship
This is incredible. Thomas Keane has been replaced by Miller Bros Stonemasons.
Posted: 09.11.2017
marymckie
lovely to see where my grandfather was Baptised in 1898!
Posted: 02.12.2019
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/185817953@N06] We would love to hear more about him Mary.
Posted: 02.12.2019
