[St. Nicholas' Church, Galway]

[graphic]
Bibliographic Details
Main Creator: French, Robert, 1841-1917 photographer
Contributors: Lawrence, William, 1840-1932
In collection: The Lawrence Photograph Collection
Format: Photo
Published / Created: [between 1865-1914].
Subjects:
Notes:Additional information about this photograph may be available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7642401382/

Robert French was the chief photographer responsible for photographing three quarters of the Lawrence Collection. For more information, see the Dictionary of Irish Biography: http://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a3369

Physical description: 1 photographic negative glass 16.5 x 21.5 cm.

Geographic Coverage: Galway City, County Galway, Province of Connacht, Ireland.

Caption on glassplate reads: St. Nicholas Church. Galway. 784. W. L.

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This photo was taken probably by Robert French, chief photographer of William Lawrence Photographic Studios of Dublin.
We've seen the front of St. Nicholas' Church before with the Egg and Fowl Market and the back view in one of our O'Dea photographs from 1964...
You can compare this view of St. Nicholas' Church with its companion photo taken approximately 100 years later as part of the Lawrence Photographic Project 1990/1991, where one thousand photographs from the Lawrence Collection in the National Library of Ireland were replicated a hundred years later by a team of volunteer photographers, thereby creating a record of the changing face of the selected locations all over Ireland.
For further information on the Lawrence Photographic Project, read all about it on our NLI Blog.
Date: 1890??
NLI Ref.: L_ROY_00784

Comments

DannyM8
Think this is a little later than the Egg and Foul Market given the growth in the tree on the right. But not much. Egg and Fowl is circa 1905 so I would say 1906 or 07 at 12.12 PM some day
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
@79549245@N06 Well, circa 1905 on the Egg and Fowl Market was speculative... Never firmly established.
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
DannyM8
@nlireland Understand that. But think this is a little older
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
DannyM8
Think this might be the Egg and Fowl Market also?
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
@79549245@N06 Deffo geese, etc. lying on the ground...
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
robinparkes
It looks like mid to late spring judging by the length of the shadows and the time of day. It's safe to assume the clock is right?
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
DannyM8
Looking at the trunk of the tree again, this is EARLIER than Egg and Fowl - sorry
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
@13073434@N03 I would think so. And remember they didn't change the hour in Spring or Autumn before 1916, was it?.
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
derangedlemur
Pity none of the four protestants in the picture is the rector. He'd be a datable artefact.
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
derangedlemur
@13073434@N03 Yep. 11th april or 1st spetember (-ish), according to the magic app, either of which is consistent with the leafiness of the trees.
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
blackpoolbeach
Some of the handcarts have shafts at both ends. Were these a local design in Galway?
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
guliolopez
On the date front I was looking at two things. (1) Connolly's Merchants on Church Yard Street. This didn't help much as Connolly's were in situ and unchanged for decades. (2) The trees. I found it interesting that the trees are very very similar in the Eason Collection shot. Foliage/etc might suggest a similar time of year? Also interesting that the Church website has a photo without trees. Is the one on the left out of shot? Is the one on the right removed (or just not planted yet)? Might be of help if we could date that photo. Anyway, while this was "interesting", it wasn't unfortunately useful dating fodder.
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
Cuddly Nutter
@20727502@N00 Also in the church website photo there is a little platform near the top of the spire which isn't in this photo but you can see where it was. And there is no clock.
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
Cuddly Nutter
The story of the church bells would suggest this photo is at the earliest 1898. www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/34828 The last of the bells, the Clock bell, was given in 1898 by Bishop O'Sullivan, who had been Rector of Galway for 18 years. The clock, which formed part of the Bishop's gift, has been much appreciated by the citizens of Galway ever since, and is an excellent timekeeper.
Posted: 25.07.2012  
 
Niall McAuley
Hee hee! The clock was installed in 1898. It has three dials facing south, east, and west, and a bell that strikes on the hour. The north side of the tower is blank. According to local legend, the church refused to give the Poor Clares' Convent "the time of day".
Posted: 26.07.2012  
 
derangedlemur
Ha ha. More likely they just ran out of money, though. Churches all to often proceed on the assumption that the Lord will provide and then put it down to ineffebility when He doesn't.
Posted: 26.07.2012  
 
Cuddly Nutter
@8468254@N02 Even if they did run out of money they still had to chose which side not to put a clock face. Besides why let facts spoil a good story !!
Posted: 26.07.2012  
 
Niall McAuley
Se non è vero, è ben trovato
Posted: 26.07.2012  
 
Swordscookie
@blackpoolbeach You said "Some of the handcarts have shafts at both ends.Were these a local design in Galway?" Not really the shafts extended a couple of feet beyond the back of the cart so that when it was set down it did not tip over completely but remained at an angle of 45 degrees or so. This was common around the country and was useful when moving timber, turf and building materials as they did not tip out all over the place. Sometimes when a cart was fully loaded you would see the driver siting on the half shaft at the back to take some of the pressure off the poor old ass (donkey:-}) Well spotted though.
Posted: 26.07.2012  
 
Swordscookie
@gnmcauley I like that story Niall, thats subtle Galway humour!
Posted: 26.07.2012  
 
Niall McAuley
This stereo pair shows the earlier tower version.
Posted: 13.03.2017