Sedes Sapientiae Teacher Training College, Baggot Street, Dublin
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| Notes: | Additional information about this photograph may be available on the National Library of Ireland's Flickr Commons photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7506677376/ This Teacher Training College was run by the Sisters of Mercy. The site is now occupied by Bank of Ireland headquarters which opened in Lower Baggot Street in 1972. Robert French was the chief photographer responsible for photographing three quarters of the Lawrence Collection. For more information, see the Dictionary of Irish Biography: http://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a3369 Physical description: 1 photographic negative glass 16.5 x 21.5 cm. Geographic Coverage: Dublin City, County Dublin, Province of Leinster, Ireland. Caption on glassplate reads: College Baggot St. Dublin. 1200. W. L. more |
Was a bit perplexed as to where exactly this photo might have been taken, as this building and lovely terrace are no longer with us. Thanks to some of our usual suspects, we now know that this was the Sisters of Mercy run Sedes Sapientiae (Girls') Teacher Training College, that much later morphed into Carysfort Teacher Training College in Blackrock.
P.S. Check out the nearest gas lamp. It has a little metalworked 2225 on it!
Date: 1890?? Can that gaslight number help us here?
NLI Ref.: L_ROY_01200
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Comments
heady school
That quite a door for a back door, but surely they wouldn't hang the sheets out in front either.
Just had a look up Baggot St. on Google Maps but didn't see a roof like that anywhere.
Perhaps it was demolished to build some ugly office block.
Posted: 05.07.2012
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
@eyelightfilms If it is Baggot Street, I would have plumped for Lower (the end closest to Stephen's Green), but that would really mean the area where Bank of Ireland head office is. Most of the Georgian fabric has miraculously survived down that end. Baggot Street Hospital dominates one side of Upper Baggot Street, and on the facing side, don't think there was room for a terrace of houses between Baggot St. and Fleming's Place/Burlington Road... Where's Niall and his OSI maps when you need him?
Posted: 05.07.2012
heady school
Think I've found it on an OS map, but have not yet figured out how to link to that spot.
Yes, Lower Baggot St, but it has been demolished.
Between East James St. and Herbert St, there was a small lane called Adelaide Place.
That's it on the lower left with the gas lamps.
Approx here.
Oh wait. Try this OS map link.
Posted: 05.07.2012
DannyM8
Think This Might be it or at least half of it link text
In the early 1830s Catherine McAuley started training courses in the Baggot Street Convent to qualify able students who wished to become governesses or teachers in various schools throughout Ireland. When the principle of denominational training was accepted, the ‘Sedes Sapientiae’ (Seat of Wisdom) Training School in Baggot Street was recognised as a Teacher Training college for girls in 1883 and later transferred to Carysfort Training College, Blackrock, Dublin. Until then only 27% of Catholic teachers and 52% of Protestant teachers had graduated from training colleges.
Posted: 05.07.2012
Niall McAuley
@79549245@N06's building looks exactly right, and @eyelightfilms has the location.
In this Google image of the school that stands there now, I see what looks like a graveyard, but no such thing is marked on any map I can find
The school is Scoil Chaitríona CBS primary school..
Posted: 05.07.2012
DannyM8
Sedes Sapientiae teacher training college - Very ELUSIVE
Posted: 05.07.2012
economic quiet
The craftmanship here is great, unlike the mass-produced buildings of today.
Posted: 05.07.2012
DannyM8
The Terrace of houses on the left with the gas lamps were in Adelaide Place.
Off Baggot-street, Lower.
Following from Dublin Street Directory 1862
P. St. Peter.South Dock W.City.
Gate-houseT. Bridges, shoemak. 2l
1 Burke, Mr. James, 15l. l = Pounds rateable valuation
2 Davis, David, esq. 15l.
2 Dowling, Robert, esq.
3 Dyas, Mr. John, 15l.
4 Brangan, Miss Ellen, dressmkr. 15l.
5 Bryen, Mr. William, 15l.
6 Monks, Wm, Adelaide cottage, 11l.
Posted: 05.07.2012
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Youse are all fablis! Thanks for solving another mystery... Anyone know anything about the 2225 numbering on the lamp? And what about a date? The second "wing" isn't on @79549245@N06's lovely 1879 sketch from Archiseek...
Posted: 05.07.2012
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Also would Sirs and Madams like an easy or a hard Fergus O'Connor "unknown location" shot tomorrow?
Posted: 05.07.2012
Niall McAuley
While searching the OS 25" map near baggot street, I came across this: between Baggot Street and Burlington lane, a Laundry attached to an Asylum for Penitent Females
Shiver.
Posted: 05.07.2012
DannyM8
Have never seen so little information about a subject on the WWW. Will have to go to the Library sometime and actually look at a book!!!!!
Posted: 05.07.2012
Niall McAuley
You can actually see that @79549245@N06's sketch is of half the main building, from the steps and door to the right.
The brick to the left looks a slightly different colour, from whenever it was extended.
Posted: 05.07.2012
archiseek
Section to the left is clearly a later extension. Possibly the one mentioned in The Irish Builder in his Obituary in Building News 67, 19 Oct 1894, 554 as N0.64 Lower Baggot St., or it may have been extended after his death by his practice in the same style.
The architect John L. Robinson made a good living from The Mercy Sisters - having done the Brickfield Lane, Carysfort, and Dun Laoghaire convents as well. His commissions were chiefly for Catholic churches and religious houses in the Dublin area, though he also did some commercial and domestic work.
Posted: 05.07.2012
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I bet it was a Monday due to the laundry.
Posted: 05.07.2012
DannyM8
In 1901 per the census this college was called Our Lady of Mercy College, there seems to be 154 young ladies between the ages of 19 to 26 from all over the country. See 1901 Census
In 1901 there are 4 seperate Sister of Mercy Buildings as follows Girls Tranining home and dwelling, R.C. Convent, Ladies Training College and Servants training home.
In 1911 there are only 2 buildings noted, Boarding School Private dwelling (which seems to equate to the girls training home above (same head of family in both Sarah Manning) and a Convent / Boarding school see Building report for 1901 1911
So it looks like our Training College closed between 1901 and 1911, but Carysfort Training College in 1877 was set up as a training college for Catholic girls who wished to become teachers. The college was founded and run by the Sisters of Mercy. The college developed further when ‘Sedes Sapientiae’ (Seat of Wisdom) Training School for girls (a recognised Teacher Training college) of Catherine McAuley Baggot Street moved to Carysfort in Blackrock. Which suggests two training colleges for the period 1877 to between 1901 and 1911?
Looking at the number of rooms in the different buildings on the campus from 1901 to 1911 it is possible that our building was gone prior to 1911, which may explain the absence of any later images????? Comments please..
Posted: 05.07.2012
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
@archiseek Thanks for that! So until we get more information, we're as well off sticking with a speculative date of 1890 then...
Posted: 05.07.2012
Niall McAuley
From the Scoil Chaitriona website linked above, the CBS westland row merged with a school run by the Mercy nuns on the Baggot street site in 1986, so I'd say the Mercy nuns had a school for girls there from 1903 when the teacher training moved until 1986.
The current modern building presumably replaced this one, but I don't know when, maybe 1986, maybe before.
Posted: 05.07.2012
DannyM8
Looks Like Caresford only started in 1903 and the 1877 date was the start of this college, a bit like distilleries in ireland!! see Inspectors report 1903-4
Posted: 05.07.2012
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
We have a book in Library Towers that looks promising. Here's a quote from the book quoted on scoilnet:
... Can well understand the eagerness for admission. Young women come up from all parts of Ireland, rough and unkempt, are put into the civilising mill: books, baths, infinite tidiness and order and the friendly guidance and sympathy of the Reverend Mother and Sisters. I must say these women please me vastly. (Viscount Morley, 1894)I'll have a look at in the morning. Hopefully, it might mention a date for the addition of the second wing onto the building, or something else useful...
Posted: 05.07.2012
oaktree_brian_1976
Sedes Sapientiae or Seat of Wisdom, for the Mother of God, ie Mary. Should have known that! Father forgive us! Can someone on here take confession?
Posted: 06.07.2012
